At last! Palestinians have Israel on the ropes.

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Permalink Reply by Basil Keilani on November 6, 2009 at 11:47pm

Dan,

You keep on sticking to myths. There was no Jewish people before Judaism.
There were Hebrews. The Hebrews and the Jews of today are so far from each other in so many ways culturally and in appearance wise. The connection is tenuous. You can't necessarily argue that the Semitic Palestinians are farther apart from those ancestors than Jews of today you put culture and DNA into the mix. There wasn't the concept of a nation as you know it back then. The modern nation state is rather new. Germany wasn't a country until 1871. Jews do live in Arab countries. Remember, the people you call Arabs are Arabacized people. Moroccans are indigenous to Morocco. Palestinians are indigenous to Palestine. The Palestinians who are citizens of Israelis were born there. They are native to the land just like the olive trees that are there. They are not foreigners. Jews were welcome everywhere until Zionism soured the water between people.

Permalink Reply by Basil Keilani on November 6, 2009 at 4:08am

As far as the historical comments, there was an Israelite kingdom it is said but it didn't have a very long shelf life. It was certainly not older than Canaan, which was far more ancient or Aram. Palestine was part of the Syrian region in general just as Lebanon and Syria were. Palestine was also Syria-Palestine. The Arabs also called it Filistin, so it definitely has its place historically as Palestine longer than an Israel. This is historically indisputable.

You say Arabs can live in a Jewish state. The Arabs in question are indigenous Semitic inhabitants of the land. They had grandparents and great-great grandparents born there. This is not true for the Jews who you are calling generous for having them. They were already there. There are Jews in Morocco, so to say Jews don't live in an Arab state is different. The Palestinians are indigenous and are holding on to their land, the land of their ancestors. Jews lived everywhere in the region until Zionism emerged.

Permalink Reply by Paul RETI on November 6, 2009 at 4:16am

For those who don't know, Luc also started this same discussion at http://truthinjustice.ning.com/forum/topics/at-last-palestinians-have .

Permalink Reply by Luc Hansen on November 8, 2009 at 12:15pm

Reports of an Israelite "Kingdom" are greatly exaggerated. There is only one reference in the Egyptian records of an Israel, which appears to have been at most an insignificant tribe and was reportedly wiped out.

There is no evidence that the tribe were adherents of Judaism. Egyptians were wonderful record keepers and it is just not believable that there would not be extensive reports of a substantial Jewish presence right next door to it, not to mention the slavery of the Jews in Egypt and the Exodus.

By the way, how many people realise that according to Deuteronomy the Jews enslaved the Egyptians before the tables were turned?

The Old Testament is creative fiction, designed to explain the world in terms of the then existing knowledge sets. It is so old that theories as to its origins are pure guesswork. My guess is that a Mesopotamian creative writer heard of the slaughtered tribe and wove tales of great imagination to inspire his own people with a romantic story of triumph in the face of great adversity.

More than ever before, the world is sensitive to the rights of indigenous peoples. Israel's current rulers and their policies are on the wrong side of history. The past, real or imagined, recent or ancient, fascinating as it is, does not detract from the human rights of today's peoples, including that of equality.

Permalink Reply by Neri Bar-On on November 8, 2009 at 2:43pm

Luc,

Please continue this discussion in Truth and justice.
It is closed here as you started attacking Jewish beliefs and Israelis.

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