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Permalink Reply by Hiba on May 19, 2009 at 11:33pm

Well a Government that completed its period of governance and finished is declaring a new one... a government that is no more representing the people decided to declare even a new one!!! man we still have a long way to go.....

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Permalink Reply by sss on May 20, 2009 at 6:53am

sorry I dont get your point Hiba

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Permalink Reply by Neri Bar-On on May 20, 2009 at 10:03am

I think Hiba is frustrated from the Palestinian government system. the Fatah keep its power because the "old guard" leader wish to keep the power. they do not let new generation to gain power.

Israel first Elections for the Constituent Assembly were held in newly-independent Israel on 25 January, 1949. Voter turnout was 85.8%. Two days after its first meeting on 14 February, 1949, legislators voted to change the name of the body to the Knesset

These people who were voted for Constituent Assembly declared themselves as Knesset without legal authority. This kind of robbing the government space is normal sage.

Today the Israeli political system is not stable and it risk our future, the system this Constituent Assembly created was keeping in power a small group of people for 20 years.

this group of peaole

kept the power to themselves till 1977. and when the regime group change to Likud (begin) they too kept the system for preserving their power.

Hiba concern is important, you do not need to be as Israel, you need to be better the Israel in the political system you create. and this is not simple task for the young generation of palestinians, but if we check the capacity we will find that the young palestinian generation today are more knowledgeable and educated then the young Israelis of 1949

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Permalink Reply by Paul RETI on May 21, 2009 at 9:35am

Neri,

The Israeli political system has advantages and disadvantages. It is "not stable" because minorities can now exercise disproportionate power if they become members of the ruling coalition. With an electoral system like that In Australia or the US, Arab parties and other minority political interests would have a much smaller (practically zero) chance of electing members to the Knesset and thus exercising (some) power.

Constituent Assembly is an English term. I really do not see a problem with the name change from Constituent Assembly to Knesset. Were that an issue, then it could be change again by the Knesst or by a referendum.

Why did the same group of people keep power for more than 20 years? Because the electorate decide that. Once the majority of the electorate wanted a change, there was change. That is how democracies work.

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Permalink Reply by Neri Bar-On on May 21, 2009 at 9:44am

Paul,

when you ask people to elect Constituent Assembly that will decide of how the Knesset to be voted, and this people decide that they are the Knesset and grant themselves authority no body voted for them to have.

these people did not structure the system to serve the whole citizens, they were concern in their ability to influence and hold power.

this some of the reason for Israeli unstable situation where they failed to address the palestinian crisis and take responsibility to create change.

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Permalink Reply by Paul RETI on May 21, 2009 at 6:07pm

Hi Neri,

For now i will not disagree with your assessment. I just don't know enough of the detail.

Great Britain has no constitution or Bill of Rights. Their system, essentially based on Common Law and commonly accepted conventions works due to the consent (not acquiescence) of its citizens. Things that do not work can be are (eventually) changed by their Parliament and elections.

Israel seems to be working the same way, though Israel's electoral system gives more power to minorities than that of most other democracies.. No democracy is perfect.

The situation of Arabs within Israel is no worse than that of any other minorities. The fact that they are not required to serve in the army now means that they do not accept full citizenship responsibilities. The fact that certain Yeshiva students are exempted from military service is another anomaly of the system.

My view is that Palestinian Crisis you mention can only be resolved when the related hostilities cease. For now, that still is not within practical reach.

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Permalink Reply by sss on May 21, 2009 at 9:12am

Neri , I try to explain something that we have no political system , to make new government ,we have civil departments , this is what they said in Oslo Agreement , they said minister of health and minister of education , in Oslo Agreement there is nothing talks about ministries , all of them General directors but they lie and belive their lies , if you said I'm government where is the infrastructure and essential base for this government , if you have no ecconomy , no borders , no airports , no Health systems , no army , we have nothing , we have government as Netnayhoo want , he wants the palestinian to control themselves but without state and to abandone them to make the whole world belive that we are control ourselves but Israel just play God , they are in the sky we dont see them they let the rain raining and the food enter to the palestinian territory but if we dont praise them they will curse us . things dont run like this we must understand that till now we under occupation and for me to live in a state like Israel , it's better than million of times to live in big lie under government which have no power . live in Israel as equal with the Israeli citizens .

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Permalink Reply by Neri Bar-On on May 21, 2009 at 10:22am

Jaber,

This is crucial issue for us all, The palestinian people need to find a way to structure more functional united political system. the inner conflict and the lack of structure disable palestinian developments as it enable the extremists to flame the conflict again and again.

I think you should in the 2nd intifada that you do not accept the Oslo plan, and I understand why. Oslo is agreement above your heads and not addressing the need of people (more addressing the needs of who sign it).

I personally have no problem to share citizenship and stathood with you, Mazin, Hiba, Wael, Basil and many other friend here. I think we all recognize the basic need to respect and fairness so we all get equal opportunity,

But this is not the whole picture, and we need to deal with "old gourd" in Palestine as with "Hamas" and so many years of blood and occupation.

with that there is another point of creating a state from scratch, this is unique history opportunity to the Palestinians people. while you build up such state, you can make it better then Israel system, and you can use Israel, and world resources as so many elements in the world wish this conflict to end. we must end the Nakba and change direction to growth.

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Permalink Reply by Paul RETI on May 21, 2009 at 6:18pm

Jaber wrote: "the Palestinian's leaders now just bunch of spoiled children if you don't give them cookie they will cry and spoiled every thing.".

What can be done to change that?

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