The main obstacles to peace

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Permalink Reply by samah sawalha on October 16, 2009 at 12:09am

i want to ask you is you are cicked out from your house and al of your family killed in front of your eyes what you will do and your future find it in another contury what you will feel???

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Permalink Reply by avi on July 21, 2009 at 9:07am

I feel the main obstacle is simple just plain "HATE". It is not by you a Palestinian civilian or me a Jewish civilian, but the powers that control the people. There are about 15-20 mil. Jews around the world and they have an interest (what ever it is), and there are 1.2 Bill. Moslems with there interests (what ever it is). And off course when one conflicts with the other there is conflict. Then comes religion and the religious fanatics with there interpretation of there religion. That says if you are not like me you must die. It is hate that fuels this fire but there is no water to put it out. There are leaders that thrive on the flames of useless death.
It seems to me that as long as there are leaders that call out for the death and destruction of Israel. There will not be any peace not though two state solution, not through genocide of the Palestinian people. There can’t be trust so there can’t be peace. We can talk all we want but the leaders with power and there interest will not listen since the hate is too deep.
This seems like a good example: imagine Israel leaves Gaza and there is peace no rockets just hotels popping up money flowing then the world can say “see Israel has been keeping the Palestinian people down give them more land and see how well they will do” that seems so simple and obvious . Why not try it? Simple HATE it is the route of it all. Jewish temples have been burnt though out history every time control has been taken or given to the Arab people. Why? Do Jews burn mosques the same way? Of course not. It does not seem to be the civilians to me. There is much more to it that we don’t know about.
If there were no leaders then I think most of the fighting would stop.
Of cores then there will be other problems.

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Permalink Reply by Shaul on July 21, 2009 at 8:13pm

Jews have completely destroyed hundreds of Palestinian villages and towns, including many mosques...
As long as they are a persecuted minority, they call for the respect of the minority rights, but once they are in control somewhere, this is an entirely different story... What a moral superiority!

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Permalink Reply by windsfeather on July 28, 2009 at 9:59pm

Hate is not the obstacle it is just a symptom to the real problem. Americans burned and bombed a lot of Europe to save Jews; that’s not entirely true; large corporate America makes money and that is what most wars are really about. Supply and demand. Hate just brings people together to form a belief and bring strong hold political parties to the front. Israel isn't always a saint when it comes to political parties. We have seen the mafia groups from within the borders of Israel creating a lot of unsettled unrest. Yes, it would be easier for Israel to build being that there are current sanctions on Palestine. Remove the barriers and it is just a topic thought to which group would succeed in building. Yes, population explosion is a major factor and when you have so many acres to deal with and you are telling your productive families to produce massively then yes land take over becomes an issue. It typically takes 3 acres to raise one cow. So, Humans who can expand upwards with sky scrappers have double the radius room for growth and the answer lies with the engineers and political factions who allow low lying sub-structures to be built in an area with not enough mass to withhold the over re-production of society within said ground. You not only contaminate your ground with over production, you fail to work with the areas most needed to supply the demand. Water, Food and Shelter. Contaminate the water supplies your are inviting plagues. This is happening in 40,000 populated towns that are on the mobius strip of the outer areas of the West Bank. Sewage runoff becomes ones own nightmare. Granddad always said never drink from a stream where the cow died up stream. Simple logic to core problems.

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Permalink Reply by Alexi Greenberg on July 21, 2009 at 9:00pm

There are multiple obstacles to peace. However one obstacle that tends to be overlooked is the economic component to the conflict. The lack of economic opportunity for the Palestinians is a big obstacle which does not allow the Palestinians the ability to sustain themselves or provide for their families. This creates an internal problem within the areas of Palestinians but also for the larger problem of peace. Until the Palestinians are able to sustain themselves with massive amounts of foreign aid, peace will be unachievable.

Check out lendforpeace.org to see how this organization is increasing economic opportunity for Palestinians in the West Bank.

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Permalink Reply by Oliver Haack on July 21, 2009 at 10:17pm

Alexi,

thank you for the link. This really seems to be an interesting approach, and hopefully many Palestinians will be empowered/empower themselves to change the economic situation and create new opportunities.

But it is equally important to recognise that not all economic problems were imposed on the Palestinians by others. Widespread corruption and misuse of (foreign) aid need to be fought - in short, the making of a flourishing Palestinian economy depends to a large extent on the Palestinian (moderate) leaders' willingness to follow the principles of 'good governance'.

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Permalink Reply by windsfeather on July 22, 2009 at 1:53am

The main obstacles are the base foundations of how the problems created fear and mass efforts by mafia hit groups. Economics and free trade markets must gain in order for repression to be obsolved. We can not solve social problems with racist theology and claim we believe in justice when we repeatedly say logically "Just is Unjust." This leasds to our autocratic standpoinds of a belief system of free radicals who process hate as a form of justice to place fear in the core morale structures of our families. The problems are rooted in the ineffective way we solve social problems and instead of wroking with unfettered markets we increase poverty, disease, pollution, crime, corruption creating a base society that becomes inequality adaptable. The two state solution is just a formula of how to achieve and eliminate sanctions and effectively create world global trade markets. What do you want a family not allowed to fish in a lake where there are lots of fish, water systems that are contaminated and for a few countless of dollars it could be producing enough clean water for a small city, families denied education or medical help so the obstacle is in the idea that we are our own worse enemy. We breed fear and embrace hate as a collective means to prevent micro and macro economics from happening.

Sorry, but the zionist theory is crap and a cop out to someone who doesn't want to face reality of what their lives can hold. Take the labels off and what can we see. Even in Muslim cultures the patterns of weave in our clothing depict the area or region of social and economic culture one lives. De-label the labels and find truth in the truth. The obstacles are deeper rooted than the hate we carry in our hearts.

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Permalink Reply by Aiman Anwar Makhalfa on July 25, 2009 at 10:51pm

i think that it's better to discuss the solutions that achieve peace , when discussing " OBSTACLES" then not reach a solution.
"Excuse me for the language i am not English speaker"

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Permalink Reply by Oliver Haack on July 25, 2009 at 11:38pm

Yes, Aiman, you're right, but I think that only in identifying the obstacles one can find and develop appropriate solutions. That's why I posted that discussion. Of course I hope that talking about obstacles means also discussing possible solutions to these obstacles.

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Permalink Reply by Neri Bar-On on July 27, 2009 at 8:09am

I think you are right, and solutions are within the scope of one future that includes all of us and address all the problems people has, from social to emotional so our children can grew healthy and create better conditions for their children.

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Permalink Reply by Oliver Haack on July 26, 2009 at 8:53pm

Adam,

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"I'm sure if you threw everyone on this forum on an island, despite how much we argue, I'm sure we'd find a way to get along"

I don't think we have to be on an island to acknowledge that our common goal is survival. First, both Israelis and Palestinians of course want - literally - to 'survive', i.e. to live in a secure environment. Second, obviously 'physical' survival must be accompanied by economic security and perspectives. In short, what's needed is both 'freedom from fear' and 'freedom from want', which are the two main pillars of human security.

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Permalink Reply by Mazin Qumsiyeh on July 26, 2009 at 11:48pm

The main obstacle to peace in one word: RACISM

I can elaborate if you want but I think most peopel know what this is.

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