Hi Sunil: Happy to be your friend. And a peacelover.
For several hundred years following the death of Christ, there is absolutely no question that his followers were certain that he had forbidden war. As a result of many Christians refusal to participate in war they suffered the consequences of imprisonment and/or death. These facts are indisputable. A learned writer of the seventeenth century said, "It is as easy to obscure the sun at mid-day, as to deny that the primitive Christians renounced all revenge and war."
There are innumerable records of men who were put to death because they refused to be enlisted in the army. There are also countless examples of men who while serving in the army became Christians and subsequently laid down their arms, regardless of the cost.
Hence it is indisputable that the early Christians who lived nearest to the time of our Savior, believed without any doubt, that he had unmistakably forbidden war. They were so certain of their belief that, in support of it, they were willing to sacrifice their fortunes and their lives.
It wasn't until after the time of Constantine that Christians began participating in the army. Christianity had deteriorated to that extent by that period in time.
The departure from the original faithfulness was certainly not sudden. Like every other corruption, war crept in by degrees. In the first two hundred years after the death of Christ, not a single Christian soldier is to be found on the records. In the third century, as Christianity became partially tainted, Christian soldiers were common. The number increased from that period on. Only occasionally were there voices raised for peace, and the idea that war is unlawful finally came to a halt in the (professing) church.
The only exceptions were the Anabaptists from whence the Mennonites and Brethren have their roots and the Quakers who began a century later under their founder George Fox plus a few others scattered about in other churches. Since I am a Quaker I wholeheartedly support the peace testimony of Friends.
My earnest prayer is that all those who are advocating war, remember they are urging a corruption which their forefathers despised. They are also making Jesus Christ approve of crimes, which his early followers offered up their lives rather than commit. Earl
Basil, regarding your fairly long reply about my comments about US and Israeli name-calling, I agree with all you say. That is what I have found in my years of looking at Palestinians and Israelis. I read IMEMC, PIC, PNN, PPN, and Ma'an daily. But...
You are right, of course, about the invalidity of the argument. That was my point as well. The only difference between us, if there is one, seems to be that I am somewhat less optimistic about the robustness of the connection between the validity ...
I think that in any case we should be clear that US intervention in Israeli affairs is permanent - in the form of civil and military aid. If people want the US not to intervene in these issues they have to ask for the stopping any other interventi...
Dear friends,
Now that some of us have gathered here, I wanted to strat a few discussions. one of them is venturing out to do speaking in Jewish communities, universities and organizations about the possibilities to be a pro peace Israeli and/ Ame...
Oh yes, I agree, we need to write more for Israeli media outlets as well. The comments just opened my eyes to the fact that for Israelis, it is easy to dismiss the sensible positions of J-Street purely on the grounds that they constitute an attemp...
Jerrold Cohen, you are correct. When Arabs or Muslims engage in violence against civilians it is labeled terrorism. When it comes to international politics we are the equivalent of black people of the 1950s in the US South or in Africa. We are gui...
I don't even understand what normal human behaviour and one of emotions has to do in peace process. If ever such a thing as " peace process " goes on and some sort of agreement is signed. Many of these emotions which pops up in conflicts in quite ...
"No trust - no treaty - no peace"
++ Should be : Treaty - Peace - Trust. If we start to built peace program upside down, perhaps no peace treaty in any conflict will ever exist.
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For several hundred years following the death of Christ, there is absolutely no question that his followers were certain that he had forbidden war. As a result of many Christians refusal to participate in war they suffered the consequences of imprisonment and/or death. These facts are indisputable. A learned writer of the seventeenth century said, "It is as easy to obscure the sun at mid-day, as to deny that the primitive Christians renounced all revenge and war."
There are innumerable records of men who were put to death because they refused to be enlisted in the army. There are also countless examples of men who while serving in the army became Christians and subsequently laid down their arms, regardless of the cost.
Hence it is indisputable that the early Christians who lived nearest to the time of our Savior, believed without any doubt, that he had unmistakably forbidden war. They were so certain of their belief that, in support of it, they were willing to sacrifice their fortunes and their lives.
It wasn't until after the time of Constantine that Christians began participating in the army. Christianity had deteriorated to that extent by that period in time.
The departure from the original faithfulness was certainly not sudden. Like every other corruption, war crept in by degrees. In the first two hundred years after the death of Christ, not a single Christian soldier is to be found on the records. In the third century, as Christianity became partially tainted, Christian soldiers were common. The number increased from that period on. Only occasionally were there voices raised for peace, and the idea that war is unlawful finally came to a halt in the (professing) church.
The only exceptions were the Anabaptists from whence the Mennonites and Brethren have their roots and the Quakers who began a century later under their founder George Fox plus a few others scattered about in other churches. Since I am a Quaker I wholeheartedly support the peace testimony of Friends.
My earnest prayer is that all those who are advocating war, remember they are urging a corruption which their forefathers despised. They are also making Jesus Christ approve of crimes, which his early followers offered up their lives rather than commit. Earl
Hello Sunil!
Welcome to mepeace.org. I hope that you will make a constructive and active and consistently ethical contribution to this community.
Peace, Salaam and Shalom...
... Paul R., Sydney, Australia
Welcome to MePeace. I hope you make some great connections in the community while helping us seek peace in the Middle East and the world.
Sincerely,
-Eli
(a fellow world citizen)
Hello Sunil!
Welcome to mepeace.org. I hope that you will make a constructive and active and consistently ethical contribution to this community.
Peace, Salaam and Shalom...
... Paul R., Sydney, Australia