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As for the displaced Jews from Arab countries, the Balfour Declaration WARNED of this very problem and made the establishment of a Homeland (Not State} contingent on no harm coming to the existing inhabitants or a situation where Jews in other countries would be put at risk. After seeing over a million of their own people forced into exile to live in ramshackle refugee camps, can you imagine that there would be no reprisals? Come on Mike, you are not that stupid and you know what you have written is just soft Zionist propoganda.
David Ben Gurion said "We must expel the Arabs and take their places". Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs. Oxford University Press 1985.
"If I were an Arab Leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs (This statement is incidentally not correct!) There has been Anti-semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz (and I have personally visited the death camps), but was this their fault? They see but one thing; we have come and stolen their country. Why would they accept that?
The words of David Ben Gurion quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif pp121.
At least your first PM was a realist and spoke the truth which I can respect. I will never respect the whitewash propoganda that so many apologists for Israel use on this site and elsewhere.
You wanted the land, you came and took it, be honest enough to admit it and face up to the inevitable consequences.
700,000. Only 150,000 Arabs remained in Israel at the war’s end.
Nuff said.
I would certainly like to share a coffee with you when I am next in Melbourne, but I am sure it will not be this year.
Check out the Noa's discussion 'A call for help, part 2'. It is a good project that I think all of us should be involved in.
Cheers. Max.
Ithought I would reply here about Prophets in Islam as I can be sure you will read this where it might get lost in the thread otherwise. Yes both Soloman and David are regarded as Prophets and in fact 25 prophets are mentioned by name in the Quran. Terminology between languages complicates matters as prophet in english suggests prophecies. the word used in Arabic is Nabi (plural anbiya) and means humans that have received a revelation from God and not necessarily a prophecy of future happenings. Some Prophets in Islam are named Rasul which implies that they are also messengers with a message and the most highly regarded are those who received Books which includes Moses, Jesus and Mohammed Peace be upn them. The Quran states as a principle that every community has been sent a Prophet and a Hadith numbers the Prophets as 124,000 in all! Abraham is not highly regarded due to the fact that Ishmael was his son but because he was named Hanif and called Friend of God as the strongest monotheisic leader in a time of paganism.
As for Jerusalem it should be a heritage for the entire world due to it's historical and religious background. Successive Israeli Governments have desrtoyed much of that history already in an attempt to make it exclusively Jewish. At this moment they are building a Museum of Tolerance on the site of one of the oldest Muslim Graveyards that contains remains of famous Muslims going back more than a 1000 years! Museum of Arrogance would be a better name! Why should I trust such people with the future of Jerusalem. Many Christians in Israel are also complaining of the way they are treated as well so it is not just Muslim Partizanship.
Wa Salaam
Yahya
You mentioned you were unfamiliar with the ‘friends’ game. It is a trivial part of mepeace. Everyone here is primarily interested in discussing issues of genuine importance. There are other internet groups that are much bigger than mepeace, and on those groups, the ‘friends game’ is sometimes played as though it were a life and death matter. In those places there may be any amount of petty and cheap point scoring that some of us find degrading.
Here, I think most of us like to make sure we have at least ½ a dozen friends, so we can be confident we are looking normal. I am not sure if this is correct, but I think I recently saw you had no friends listed at all, and I wondered if you had decided to deliberately rebel against this social game.
There is one very useful aspect to having a ‘friend’. You have a direct private link that can be used for passing messages, without exchanging any kind of ‘address’. The link can be very useful if you want to disagree with someone who you suspect will not take well to what they may perceive as a public dressing down. There are other reasons to value the private message facility. There are some who would appreciate a little private support and encouragement.
My 3 daughters fill me in on some of the things this world is up to. Otherwise there is much that would pass me by.
The sting of all problems between Israeli and Palestinians lays in the Old City of Jerusalem. Her status has to be solved in such a way, that all parties fighting for control over her can agree upon.
On June 24, the ‘Big Hug’ will be hold in Jerusalem. Light workers from Israel, Palestine and from all over the world, ‘Lovers of Jerusalem’, will come together to bring warmth and energy to this city, embracing holding hands the Old City. If we bundle all our positive energies and bring these to Jerusalem, we can create peace to this exceptional place.
We are organizing the Big Hug to make the people aware –especially the Israeli and Palestinian inhabitants of Jerusalem- that there is a very shaped perspective for the city of Jerusalem as a city of peace: a new, undivided Jerusalem, as the capital of Palestine, Israel and at large.
Let go of the conflict concerning her command and dedicate the city to the Omnipresent. The Old City as a whole is His Temple. To give the walled Old City free to God, as a "Status Apart”, as an independent city, will be the most feasible way to come out the current impasse.
The Old City of Jerusalem must become an open city; a House of Prayer for all the Peoples. This perspective is written down in the Holy Books, this is the perspective we, as ‘Lovers of Jerusalem’ embrace as well as solution. But how many people does already notice this hopeful point of view?
What I saw in Jerusalem and also everywhere else where I meet Islamic and Jewish people is, that not so many persons really think about a future for Jerusalem. Most of the time, they stick with old ideas that the Old City of Jerusalem will always remain a part of Israel, or in opposite, that it will be absolutely a part of a new Palestinian state, as stolen land that has to be given back. With these visions, a future Jerusalem will be a divided city with an East Palestinian and West Israeli part, with barbed wire and checkpoints in between, like the situation of the city from 1948-1967. Or, coming closer to an agreement, people suggest -like proposed in the “Geneva Accord” in 2003- to make a complicated dividing of the Old City in a Israeli and Palestinian part. That will mean that the small alleys will be split by walls and barriers too. The idea that a future Jerusalem will become a divided city, is something that we have to prevent.
There are living about 250.000 Palestinian and 500.000 Israeli rather close together in one city. Do they want to make a separation of Jerusalem in parts or do they choose, deep in their hearts, for unity? So my best friends, it is our task to inform the whole city that there is an alternative for the Jerusalem of today.
All lovers of a united Jerusalem will come together to encircle and embrace the Old City of Jerusalem with love and devotion. We have to encourage all inhabitants of Jerusalem to join the coming Big Hug, with the idea of a New Jerusalem that might be realized with their support.
Rob Schrama Phone:0031-646608660 www.loversofjerusalem.org
this is Fawaz, Palestinian living in Italy,,i am very happy toward your initiative of Peace between Palestinians and Israelis,and peace in the world,,
nice to see you here,
Salam
Fawaz
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